But even if having a personal relationship with Jesus was written in the Bible maybe we should think more about what that means.
I can go long periods of not spending any time reading the Bible. I hear someone read from it and explain what it means every week in Church but I don’t sit down and take the time to read it for myself. I don’t go home after Church and then re read it again. Why don’t I? Does it even matter if I don’t? The Bible doesn’t tell us to have a quiet time every day.
The same for prayer. I don’t pray nearly as much as I should. And when I say that, I only say it to sound like I still pray at least a little. But I’m tricking you because really I don’t pray much at all. Every now and again. When I feel like it. Which is once every blue moon. And really how often do you see a blue moon?
So the main reason I don’t like using the phrase ‘having a personal relationship with Jesus’ is not because it may not be exactly written in the Bible but because I don’t want to have to put the effort in.
Why should I? I mean God is God after all. I am a person and therefore am going to be a huge mess up sometimes so shouldn’t God the perfect all knowing being be the one who pursues me all the time. Shouldn’t he know that I might just not want to do ‘Christian’, heck even just the right things all the time.
Or should I make the effort since he went to such great lengths to love me by coming to Earth and sacrificing himself for me? Should I be more grateful and show that by praying and reading my Bible more. Serving others more. Is that what having a personal relationship with God means? Me making the effort.
Which is it?
Yes.
What?
Yes.
It’s both?
Yeah, what if it is both? What if God’s grace is so amazing that he doesn’t need my love but still be so human that he does?
The best relationships you will have with other people are the ones where there is give and take. Which most of the time I am fine with if I’m just taking. When it comes to giving I’m a little reluctant. When it comes to God I am even more reluctant. I don’t want to give my time to God. I tell myself that if I read my Bible all the time I will become really fundamental. If I pray I will lose touch with reality and I will look weird. I’m afraid of what will happen to me if I give to you.
But what if by not doing those things I am missing out?
What if God actually does need me to do those things? What if when God pours his love out on us and we don’t return it, it’s not just me that loses out but also God? When we think of God we don’t tend to think of Him needing our love. But God became human. He became like us and I think he feels like us.
I don’t think He needs our love.
And yet I definitely do think He does.
Yes.
We usually have a hard time thinking of the trinity but if nothing else I think the trinity shows that even God needs others. Even God can’t survive without others. Even He isn’t really complete unless there are others in the equation.
And I like that idea of God. I like that idea because it means that when I need him I’m not just praying to a God that is distant. I’m not just bothering a God who doesn’t need anyone else and certainly doesn’t need me getting in his face about whether I should apply for a new job or move country or give more money away.
It’s hard for me to not think of another phrase other than having a relationship with God. So maybe it’s alright to think of it in those terms. Because relationships don’t work unless both people are in.
Why should that be any different with God?
Should I be surprised when I feel that God is far away when I am not spending time trying to get to know him. All of us just want to be known. Maybe the reason we do is because we are made in His image.
So does that mean God wants to be known?
Does it mean he needs to be known?
What do you think? Does that make God small or weak? Does it make God more approachable? Is it about being disciplined? What works for you?
Ben · 722 weeks ago
Just wanted to throw my thoughts into the ring:
The bible doesn't use The phrase "personal relationship" you (and Rob) are quite right in that.... But it also doesn't use the word racist, or the word homophobic, or the words super injunction... But we see personal relationships from Genesis to Revelation.
Adam and Eve spoke with God daily, Moses walked and talked and got angry and asked questions, David wrote hundreds of prayers psalms and Lamentations. Jesus taught his disciples (and then symbolically gestured with actions) that there was no need for a priest, or an interseedor, but that they had access to the "holy of holies" themselves.
In answer to your question... Does God need to be known? My initial reaction is ... For what?
To be happy? To survive? I dont see God as a Pokemon who gets bigger the more we play with him, he existed for an eternity before we came along and will exist for an eternity after... But I do see the character of God as a redeemer, as longing for a relationship, as longing for us to spend time in his presence and engrossed in his word...
Love you xx
paulrobinsonwrites 1p · 722 weeks ago
Yeah you are totally right. The whole Bible is full of stories of God and people interacting. I think I just needed to remind myself that I have a part to play in that.
I think also God obviously is God and doesn't need us in the sense that he won't exist without us. But even before we were created God did exist forever, but yet he still had community with the trinity so he was never alone. But if God exists partially to be known by us, to receive joy from being loved and worship by us then I think that opens God up to me. That I am important to him.
Desiring God by Piper is a great book that explores a lot of this stuff.
P.S. I love you too x :)